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Offline Alef

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Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« on: July 05, 2021, 03:16:56 PM »
After a FB ban of a fellow journalist I had an idea, what is internet practices would be implemeented in the real world with AI used to run technocratic totalitarian regime.

Internet is controlled by few global monopolies. They have big data on all of what you do in internet. They alsou have AI for targeted adds and bans. There is a common misconception of what AI is. Artificial Intelligence takeing ower the world is fantasy. It's just a machine like your vacuum cleaner. However it could be a great tool of control.

In Singapoore they alredy have microphons on streets recording if you say certain bad words. USA is fighting just China so the free media don't say that.



Everyone will have their own QR-code, covid pass and the social capital. If you cross the street on red light you 'll be recorded. They could detect key words you say, then unite this with your payment data, travell history, what you have bought and so on. No KGB could do that, only AI could integrate all of this together.

Say if you go on street a microphone will alert you to stop crossing the street on red light, buying high cholesterine food and you should like your goverment more. Alsou "we have a great offer of shoes just two quartals away".

Then you go home and open your refrigerator, and Internet of Things will warn you about too mutch of saturated fats you are takeing and that so late you should not eat any food. Alsou it will give an advice to buy a coca-cola.
On pluging your steam iron to the eletricity, it connects to the internet and will remark you about the upcoming elections...

As you sit on your marble throne it will lecture you about paying your bills, how lucky you are with the democraty and finaly suggest to be the economical with a paper.

If you recieve negative social capital AI will begin to publicly shame you. Between the adds a microphone in supermarket will point to you, "everyone look at Edgar, he is not a loyal citizen as he was posting offensive things about the goverment and Facebook. Don't believe him as he had forgot to pay for the eletricity and he was wrong on Google."
Hovewer if you don't take a notice and your social capital turns very negative you will be forced to wear the yellow badge on a clothes (of corse with QR-code) or recieve the ban from a prestigious locations.

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2021, 03:32:47 PM »
In Singapoore they alredy have microphons on streets recording if you say certain bad words.

They know the future depicted in "Demolition Man" was supposed to be satire, rather than a recommendation for how to actually build utopia, right?

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2021, 04:00:15 PM »
That was nice movie. All of the utopias had good intentions (in their understanding of what good is) until they took power by revolution and forced it on population.

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2021, 05:22:29 PM »
Totalitarianism isn't new. Some storytellers got famous for writing novels such as "Animal Farm", "1984", or "Brave New World".

Our human imagination usually does not suffice to fathom the ingenuity or stupidity of the corresponding regimes. For example, Isaac Asimov, himself a renowned Science Fiction writer, once criticized "1984" for being totally unrealistic, because the bureaucratic apparatus needed for total surveillance would weigh down the community and cripple any productivity.

But as a matter of fact, the soviet half of Germany did indeed have a system of informal collaborators which was huge. Estimates say that over a quarter of the population would serve as an informant at least once in their life, not out of malice or cluelessness, but because every single governmental office or institution was made part of the network. And many inquiries seemed entirely harmless to the ordinary folks, seemingly unrelated to the oppressive side of government.

Everything was on file (paper, not computer). One wonders what that government could have done if they had had computers instead of typewriters.


And as to AI, there is another SF novel which struck me as incredibly realistic about the spontaneous awakening of an artificial sentience; "Stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner. It's only a side plot in an overall rather dystopian story. But what seemed especially realistic to me was that the human experts do not recognize the spontaneous awakening of the AI, but mistake it for some kind of bug. I won't spoil the details here ... the author presents it as a bittersweet joke.

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2021, 06:23:24 PM »
New technology and authoritarianism (in any of it's shapes) have a strange relationship.

Religion has used the written word as a tool to preserve their power. First exclusively in Latin to exclude the common people. Then using the book prints to spread the word. Only to find out some years later, that the same techniques can be used to spread other world views.

It's not new technology which is the problem, but the imbalance of wealth and power that drives some groups to abuse these technologies. Their goal is to stabilize the imbalance, but naturally this won't hold forever.

At the moment I think there is a silent ongoing fight for power between companies and countries. Since they work on totally different levels, they have not been able to formally declare war on each other. Also there is no single group of companies VS one (group of) countries. Most of the current knowledge on big data, AI, monitoring, surveillance is not with the states anymore, it's at the global companies!

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2021, 06:30:53 PM »
Nonetheless, war is coming. The countries that have become subservient to corporations will be their proxies in war with the countries that have not.

World War III will, on paper, be the US versus China, likely with Russia taking the US side.

In actual fact, though, it will be Googlefacebookzon vs. China.

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2021, 01:02:10 AM »
In actual fact, though, it will be Googlefacebookzon vs. China.
In other words, it'll be the rich few who accroached the wealth vs. the poor many who produced the wealth. As usual.

The first victims of any successful conqueror are not the invaded neighbors, but his subjects that he has armed and is expending.

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2021, 03:44:34 AM »
...so... was it a good thing to prevent google, yandex and baidu from cannibalizing the site rss feeds?

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Re: Technocratic AI Totalitarism
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2021, 10:38:19 AM »
I think it's about fear. As those in power become afraid they make totalitarian laws.

In local news I just heard that they closed down local radio (Pik FM) with opposition political wievs. It was kind of radio of a buisnesman who alsou had his own party, not very important. In 30 years they maybe once got in city parlament. But they alsou closed down very popular local TV news (connected to political oposition.) All of this is claimed to strenghten the democraty and is happening in atmosphere of fear.
Initial fear could be future of nation, -1/3 population in 30 years of independance.

It's almoust nothing to watch on TV. One channels are closed, other are geopoliticaly right but are too boring or in english so that population don't watch and cabel opperators do not offer them.



I hope none would be stupid enought to start a new real war. But none could imagine covid or 9/11. Wars are more easy to start than to stop. Some frozen conflicts with non-recognised states exist for about 50 years. But then China is very non-war like. The last chinese dinasty was manchu nomad conquerors who took ower China but got assimilated.
I think https://www.bilibili.com/ is technologicaly more advanced than youtube, just that I don't understand a word.
At least they both want to get rid of oil dependancy and are makeing electro-cars. (electro-tanks maybe?)
But they both are mineing coins: