Metaphysical Beliefs attached to W.W.1.?

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Offline Derek_Smith

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« on: June 09, 2018, 05:53:41 PM »
Hi all,

We are all interested in numbers here, so i thought i would put this thread in Off-Topic, i hope you find this interesting, but it could cause controversy, so please no heated debate!  I'm new here, i'm an archeoastronomer interested in the beliefs associated with the stars in history, numerology, and religion, although i only study this without believing anything like this myself.  I'm very interested in why people choose dates in war.

An example unrelated would be the 2008 Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony which was held at 8pm on 8/8/08 as 8 is associated with prosperity and confidence in Chinese culture, link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics_opening_ceremony

So could the Armistice of World War One be deliberate? It happened at 11am on the 11th day of the 11th month 1918, link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_of_11_November_1918

11 is a master number in metaphysical beliefs, please note not my beliefs, link below:-

https://www.numerology.com/numerology-numbers/11-master-number

Many soldiers died before the Armistice, any thought that the date was deliberate by a metaphysical Harry Potter would be awful.  I will continue soon!
 

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 06:29:40 PM »
Humans have this need to acknowledge a higher power so they can absolve themselves of guilt and responsibility, metaphysical, God(s), call it what you will but the concept of influencing or being influenced by this higher power is yet another human invention the enables us to point a finger and say "see!? it's not my fault! it is the will of...(insert favorite all powerful entity here) !"

...of course this is only my opinion and is subject to change ;)
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Offline Derek_Smith

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2018, 07:18:35 PM »
Hi 3dickUlus,

I agree, but the "co-incidences" keep coming, Saint Martin of Tours is the Patron Saint of Soldiers, and his feast day is 11th November, link below:-

https://aleteia.org/2014/11/11/saint-martin-of-tours-who-raised-three-people-from-the-dead/

Obviously this date of feast day was put in place many centuries before the end of WW1, it is valued today to respect all the dead in wars on 11th November

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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2018, 07:33:36 PM »
I do agree with America for not signing the Treaty of Versailles, the terms for Germany were too harsh, which probably was the cause of another war 20 years latter!

They signed a different treaty with Germany, please read small print at top of document on link below "Came into force with exchange of ratification in Berlin on 11/11/1921

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/US-Germany_Peace_Treaty

If link doesn't work it will give options to find document. 
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Offline 3DickUlus

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2018, 07:38:15 PM »
I get the feeling you might enjoy Pi (film) - Wikipedia

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2018, 07:39:41 PM »
The wall went up in the year I was born, it came down in the year my daughter was born... my first wife passed away 3.14 years later :(

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2018, 08:27:53 PM »
Hi 3DickUlus,

I have not seen the film Pi, but looks interesting, i'm interested in numbers, the classical Greek masters and mythology of the stars, which is why i love astronomy, ha ha!

The Ottoman Empire MOBILIZED for war on 11/11/1914, it is interesting that some started preparation for war and others ended same war on same date, link below:-

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/ottoman-empire-declares-war

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2018, 09:41:20 PM »
I will write one more thread section tonight, my back is hurting, the next part is about 28th June 1914.
In order to understand exactly what went wrong back in the Summer of 1914, we need to look no further than examine the key alliances that happened between 1879 and 1907, ending with the "Triple Entent".   In fact these treaties were alliances that the major nations signed in fear of each other declaring war, yet made all Europe vulnerable to a terrorist attack, bringing the powerful nations into an involuntary dance of death, and a war that no one wanted.

Saint Vitus Day 1389 and the Battle of Kosovo Poyle marks the beginning of the Serbian nation- the spirit of togetherness that saw the Serbian peoples unite against the turkish invader.

Obviously the date changes if valued by the Julian Calendar that Serbia was following at the start of W.W.1., or our Gregorian calendar, present method, however Saint Vitus Day or Vidovdan is 28th June, and there are grounds to speculate that 28th June 1914 may have been chosen as the "Trigger" date that would cause war!

More about Serbian beliefs regarding Vidovdan are on link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

I'll be back tomorrow writing about 28th June 1914.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2018, 06:03:51 AM »
I will write one more thread section tonight, my back is hurting, the next part is about 28th June 1914.
In order to understand exactly what went wrong back in the Summer of 1914, we need to look no further than examine the key alliances that happened between 1879 and 1907, ending with the "Triple Entent".   In fact these treaties were alliances that the major nations signed in fear of each other declaring war, yet made all Europe vulnerable to a terrorist attack, bringing the powerful nations into an involuntary dance of death, and a war that no one wanted.

Saint Vitus Day 1389 and the Battle of Kosovo Poyle marks the beginning of the Serbian nation- the spirit of togetherness that saw the Serbian peoples unite against the turkish invader.

Obviously the date changes if valued by the Julian Calendar that Serbia was following at the start of W.W.1., or our Gregorian calendar, present method, however Saint Vitus Day or Vidovdan is 28th June, and there are grounds to speculate that 28th June 1914 may have been chosen as the "Trigger" date that would cause war!

More about Serbian beliefs regarding Vidovdan are on link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

I'll be back tomorrow writing about 28th June 1914.
According to wikipedia 11 is the natural number following 10 and preceding 12.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2018, 02:20:42 PM »
If there should ever be numerological coincidences that withstand scientific scrutiny and that are too numerous to ignore as random flukes, then I will still not believe in metaphysical powers.

Instead I will start to believe that our universe is a virtual world, running on computing machinery that is located one reality level below ours. :)

("Below" because my mental image is that of building on top of some foundation. But one could equivalently view this as "higher" reality, as in "superior to ours". In either case, there is a strict ordering of realities: if any reality were to stop, all virtual realities built (recursively) on top of it would also stop.)

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2018, 04:25:02 PM »
Hi Hobold and Gerrit,

Please note i said i do not believe in Metaphysical numbers or powers, but some do that change the direction of history, i investigate where this may have happened and love debating!

Two bullets fired on a Sarajevo street on a sunny June morning in 1914, set in motion a series of events that shaped the world we live in today, World War One, World War Two, the Cold War, and our difficulties in the Middle East all trace their origin to the gunshots that interrupted that Summer day, 28th June 1914.

The victims Archduke Ferdinand on his wedding anniversary, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and his wife Sophie were shot by 19 year old Gavrilo Princip who burned with the fire of Slavic nationalism, he envisioned  the death of the Arch-duke as the key that would unlock the shackles binding his people to the Austro-Hungarian Empire!

He was well picked as most of the conspirators on the front line were dying from TB, therefore did not mind being martyers....... very clever Mr. Dimitrijevic, leader of the probable metaphysical Black Hand Society.
Serbia figured prominently in the plot, providing the guns, ammunitions and training that made the assassination possible, they may also have seen a symbolic connection to the Battle of Kosovo Poyle, so in theory used this date for this auspicious event in history!

Gavrilo Princip become an unwitting "Pied Piper", as this assassination precipitated the Austro_Hungarian Declaration of War against Serbia and started the involuntary dance of death or Saint Vitus Dance of World War One!

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 05:31:04 PM »
It must be noted that some occultist metaphysical political groups have changed history, but obviously not by magical numbers or dates, but it leaves a pattern in history!   The origin of the Nazi party, before Hitler took over was the German Workers Party, that had members in the Thule Society, a mixture of occultist and political ideas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers'_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

 Vidovdan, 28th June, was and is just as important to Serbs as 4th July to Americans, so to assassinate the Arch-duke on this day could easily be deliberate!

The area around Serbia and Balkan states was known in diplomatic circles to be a dangerous area that could spark a war, Otto Von Bismarck died in 1898, so long before 1914, he is quoted as saying "If there is ever another war in Europe, it will come out of some silly thing in the Balkans!".  link below:-

https://izquotes.com/quote/211253
   
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 05:07:24 PM »
I need to leave links to "The Black Hand Society", that had an emblem or insignia of a arm carrying a flag of the skull and cross bones, a fizzing bomb and a bottle of poison......nice!

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-black-hand-serbian-terrorists-1222113

Please note that Arch-duke Ferdinand was assassinated on 28th June 1914

Please note that the document regarding end of war in Treaty of Versailles that Germany signed was 28th June 1919!!!

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/ART16770

There were two parts to end of W.W.1. the Armistice was laying down of arms, the Treaty of Versailles was when terms were signed!
Therefore the assassination that triggered war and the signing to end war happened on same date?????
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2018, 04:56:31 PM »
Hi All,

Please read link, and see credits at bottom, where you will see the book "W.A.Dolph Owings, The Sarajevo Trial, which is an accurate transcript of the trial of the front line conspirators in the death of Arch-duke Ferdinand, what they said under oath is very disturbing, being the involvement of a number of secret societies with perhaps obscure beliefs were involved.  Most conspirators were dying from TB, i see no reason for them to lie!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Bridge

This is mentioned on pages 30, 34, 52, 71, 72, 81, 111, 356, 358 and 359, the book is well regarded by universities, however is very rare, example would be in libraries of Australia, there are only 5 copies to borrow, however i do own a copy.  Good luck trying to find a copy.
 

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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2018, 02:57:53 PM »
   As my closing thread section for the time being, i have not many possessions here in a nursing home to continue further yet, i wish to share my confusion regarding the Second World War.

I love modern Japan and people, all perpetrators of atrocities regarding W.W.2. and the Second Sino Japanese War are now dead, the Massacre at Nanking was awful in 1937, please scroll down to "RAPE", it breaks your heart on link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Meiji Constitution was evil, and Emperor Hirohito did little to stop atrocities in war, so must be held responsible, but at the end of W.W.2. he never was sent to prison, and lived a life of luxury until his death!!

The black comedy continued as in 1975 when he visited the United States, he expressed a desire to visit Disneyland to meet MICKY MOUSE, please scroll down link to see picture:-

www.disneylandclub33.com/Lilly%20Belle.htm

Probably the best statement i could give is when he died he had his beloved Micky Mouse watch on in his coffin, it seems the best epigraph any could give for getting off scot-free!!!!!