(Question) What's a good, speedy yet more artistic mandelbrot software?

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Offline Fraktalist

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« on: August 08, 2018, 08:42:44 PM »
I really dig kalles fraktaler, the speed and the images you can create with it - if worked with properly. Which can be hard due to it's user-interface and the more mathematical approach.

What's your favourit 2d fractal render software that has a more "artistic" approach?

Something like frax for apple https://fract.al/gallery but for pc.

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 04:43:59 AM »
Hard to figure out what frax does from the website, but I'm guessing just Mandelbrot set limited to 1e12 depth with a whole bunch of cool coloring methods. I wouldn't call it artistic, as all you seem to be able to do is zoom and click presets.

I like Ultra Fractal, its GUI and documentation  is excellent and you can write your own coloring and fractal formulas, do transformations, layers, animations. You can write your own perturbation method (some limitations) and has a fast M-set with PT and series expansion built in. Much slower than KF but that's comparing a drag-racer with a luxury BMW. It is "artistic" in that you can take control of your fractal and coloring, but not a point-and-click program. I think it's quite a bit harder to master the UF  GUI than KF which is quite simple, but sometimes a bit obscure and lacking documentation.

In the past I user fractal eXtreme a lot, which is nice and very fast (for pre-perturbation days) but now a bit outdated I think.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 01:25:14 PM »
I really dig kalles fraktaler, the speed and the images you can create with it - if worked with properly. Which can be hard due to it's user-interface and the more mathematical approach.

What's your favourit 2d fractal render software that has a more "artistic" approach?

Something like frax for apple https://fract.al/gallery but for pc.
That would be Jux http://xenodream.com/jux.htm
Not perturbation, not deep zooming (limit 1e15 to 16) but basically a much more powerful frax for Windows.


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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 06:00:25 PM »
I'm in agreement with Gerrit, I use Ultra Fractal. In addition to what he says, it has full support for layers, masks and merge modes. These are IMO essential for artistic work, and feature in specialist digital art software like Corel Painter, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop etc.

UF is certainly not the fastest, but it's fast enough. Impatience is not often triggered :).


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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 08:08:47 PM »
thanks for the input!
many years ago I started creating my first fractals with ultrafractal. (long after those pixely amiga 500 first steps)

too bad both aren't freeware.
but as soon as my little financial drought is over I'll consider buying them.
24$ for xenodream seems fair. and the images look nice, though most are focussing on 3d and I'd rather have one that does the 2d stuff really good and focusses on that. will check out the trial version to see if it suits.

ultrafractals buy-site is down for me though - anyone know the price?
https://www.ultrafractal.com/purchase.html

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 09:40:24 PM »
The creative edition, which does everything except animations and network calculations, is 49 USD / 49 Euros / 39 GBP
The extended edition, which includes animations and network calculations, is 99 USD / 99 Euros / 79 GBP
There is also a cheaper express edition, which has no layers and no transformations (mappings). I wouldn't recommend this for artistic work. It's  29 USD / 29 Euros / 24 GBP

I have the creative edition so can't say how good the animations are.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2018, 05:23:32 PM »
I agree with the recommendations for Ultra Fractal. However, I come at fractals primarily from a technical perspective. If someone is coming from them from an artistic perspective, UF may be difficult to master. All of the requisite artistic tools are there, but it UF may require a different mindset.

I have the extended edition and the animations are very nice, technically. My issue is being able to come up with a good animation, not the rendering of it. While extreme, this animation (not mine) was done all in UF.

https://vimeo.com/99467071

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 07:56:18 AM »
I have the creative edition so can't say how good the animations are.
Animation support is good, you can define a timeline with setpoints and it will smoothly make a video. All parameters can be animated, so there is no optimization for straight zoom, which can be done much faster, all frames have to be computed. To make a video of a deep zoom KF is the way to go.

Here's an example of a UF animation combining zoom with transformation I made which I like:
https://fractalforums.org/fractal-movie-gallery/19/m-set-zoom/401/msg7197#msg7197


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