wow, a lot of stuff to take in. I maybe won't have enough time to go into every detail, but I have quite a few thoughts on this.

If it is true that you really can zoom the mset using your brain - congratulation! this is veryvery special!

You probably agree and have had that reaction before - what you claim is quite "out there" so I have my doubts. But I'll take your word for this reply.

I'm quite far out with my own ideas too.

First some questions, I'm very curious:

-If you want to visit a new, zoomed in location, do you have to start zooming from very beginning, the main-mset?

-if you can zoom so much faster, can you give us any idea how deep you've gone? how complex are the shapes?

are you aware of the concept of shapestacking? do you do this to create patterns to you liking?

-what do you use this strange skill for? does it have any implications for your daily life, positive or negative?

-do/can you also "trace" single iteration chains?

Some Thoughts:

Rotation:

-Though I agree that rotating the little guy to sit upright is the first thing I usually do - I don't think rotation matters at all. It's all relative. Just the way our human brain makes sense of things and likes to see. the preference for vertical symmetry.

-I wouldn't say the mandelbrot set RE-organizes the patterns around itself. It stacks them upon each other as 'sediments' and when you zoom deeper, your previous path is layed down around the next minibrot. (again, see

shapestacking )

-I probably agree about the "coiled up" part. this is essentially what happens in the spirals. the same thing happens as in the tip or nose as you call it, the same bifurcation pattern, but it is indeed coiled up (and the number of branches ascends the deeper you go into a valley, where the curvature increases.

The factor at which a spiral coils is variable and not fixed to the golden mean. But: we probably naturally prefer to zoom towards spirals that coil close to the golden ratio.

https://fractalforums.org/fractal-mathematics-and-new-theories/28/are-there-fibonnaci-spirals-in-the-mset/1221Being coiled up indeed 'distorts' the clear and straight patterns found in the needle. Or you could say it adds another layer of complexity and enriches it.

https://fractalforums.org/fractal-mathematics-and-new-theories/28/tri-furcation-and-more/1247I don't understand what other axis' than real and imaginary you are talking about. there are no other axis - except the time axis, zooming inwards.

-I too see a very strong connection between the way the mandelbrot-set unfolds and the evolution of the universe and life - the fractal branching tree of life.

Thanks for the disclaimer - fractals are indeed a rabbit hole you can't unsee once you actually SEE it.

The shape in the linked video is not a real mandelbrot-set as generated with z->z²+c

It's a combination of three different formulas - you can copy and past the parameters into mandelbulb3d to visit the location yourself and also have a look at the parameters/formulas used (amazing box, sierpinsky/hilbert and menger in variations.)

--btw I made a video of a very similar location some years ago too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4I5DCDgYGE&t=2sSo: Not Mandelbrot-Set, but I too see the strong similarities and don't think it's a mere coincidence. Though I would choose different imagery than spiders, I basically agree.

I interpret the iteration bands of the mandelbrot-set as field lines, comparable to those of an electric/magnetic field, or probably even more: spacetime curvature. The M-set seems a good "simplified" model of this reality.

Seeing actual animals or faces in the mset or 3d-fractals is imho mostly due to parodeilia.

I think it is very important to distinguish these similarities our brain is trained to mis-interpret from those similarities that are actually there (like the fractal branching, the spirals, the inherent self similarity of patterns.

Seeing/interpreting and focussing too much into those "parodeilic" similarities will lead you on a treacherous path. I'm not saying everything you see is wrong, I just want to warn you that these can undermine the credibility of the whole point you are probably trying to show.

anyways - I think we should chat sometime in realtime! I face similar difficulties when trying to make my ideas understandable. It's hard to talk about these things, our language isn't suited well for this.

3rd:

Mathematically I don't see the shadow-whitehole duplicates inside the black hole.

I see perfect duplicates mirrored by the symmetry axis, one side positive, the other negative. But not INside of each other.

I know of no way to show "white-holes" using any program (thus mathematical formula) currently out there, which leads me to the conclusion that this is false until proven otherwise. There are no mini-msets inside the black area.

4th:

sorry, but no. at least not mathematically. the tip on the left doesn't connect to the crevice on the right. except through the infinite line that the border forms. but you'll have to follow the line through the whole set from left to right, through every vally, spiral...

yes the mandelbrot set is connected. but it is a single line.

hm. maybe we're just using different words coming from a different background.

...do you have any images that show what you mean with this?`

Interesting note further more is that the ultimate and absolutely very last mandelbrot that sits at the heart shape looks the other way around. It is the perfect shadow of the original. In the case of the standard mandelbrot it is the perfect fully filled white mandelbrot that looks back at the big one in a mirror reflection.

2nd concept:

now were really leaning out of the window. and I'd be careful about saying "this IS how it is".

But I agree about the basic concept. but too much remains unclear to proclaim conclusions that it actually is this way. There's a huge margin of error here and it's easy to "zoom too deep into the wrong territory and ideas".

But that said and put aside:

I agree. I think fractallity, self similarity is at the very heart and the driving force of our evolving cosmos and especially life.

And there is a lot to learn and research if you look at the world from this perspective. And it actually hurts my brain that this isn't done on a huge scale in a concentrated effort by the scientific community.

The mandelbrot set as clock? Nice image.

I agree about the concept but formulate it like this: Recursion is time.

Phew. This is all for part 1. If you want me to write more I'll write more but I don't think I'll have many takers to hear more of my gibberish anyway.

You don't need many takers -just the right ones

Please continue!

I see we could speak for hours and have really fruitful discussions on the topic.