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what sort of image contest do you find appealing enough to participate in regularly ???

one program, unaltered, random topic
minimal alteration allowed, topic via poll from list generated from user suggestions
completely random, as is now, no topic
some of the above
all of the above

 Fractal image of the month - Discussion thread

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Offline 3DickUlus

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« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2019, 12:24:56 AM »
Being a fractal purist I think the images should be "as rendered" by the program of choice and not manipulated in any way, just the fractal, anything else is cheating imho.

As for picking the word/theme I'm happy with whatever you decide or whatever consensus determines.

Maybe a poll for the best topic generater ???
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« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2019, 11:23:44 AM »
Being a fractal purist I think the images should be "as rendered" by the program of choice and not manipulated in any way, just the fractal, anything else is cheating imho.

As for picking the word/theme I'm happy with whatever you decide or whatever consensus determines.

Maybe a poll for the best topic generater ???

I think that is best.  Lets make a poll (you I'm afraid ;)) about this 'matter'   I really would like to have a bit more input from members, don't you agree?
It's very quiet at the front.  ::)

Perhaps you can put the poll somewhere visible.
Questions could be: would you participate in such a contest?  Choose the generator, or members input.  Winner choose topic, or I do.

If for some reason (holiday) there is not enough input I suggest to just start and we will see what happens, maybe that will trigger some.  In that case I choose the subject, and withhold myself from participation.  We can always change the rules/idea later.
Ok?

Have a nice day.  :)


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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2019, 12:02:29 PM »
i would vote for as rendered if we have a poll. I like to see what can be achieved without postwork

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« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2019, 01:00:48 PM »
i would vote for as rendered if we have a poll. I like to see what can be achieved without postwork

Thanks for your input. 
But would you also participate?    :yes:

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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2019, 01:54:24 PM »
Yes, please, as rendered only!
Otherwise, before my mind's eye I can already see the playful kittens and semi-nekkid wimmins emerge...  ;D ;D ;D
Somehow it's always, Always wimmins...  :)) Only the kittens are more creepy
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« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2019, 02:19:26 PM »
Yes, please, as rendered only!
Otherwise, before my mind's eye I can already see the playful kittens and semi-nekkid wimmins emerge...  ;D ;D ;D
Somehow it's always, Always wimmins...  :)) Only the kittens are more creepy
 

:D  Ok, that's clear  :) 

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« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2019, 11:59:52 AM »
Hey folks!
I very much like the idea of a themed contest, even more than the random image of the month (which should continue of course).
A theme encourages to maybe try something different than your usual way of creating images, learn new things.
I'm with Cal on this one, totally random words make it too hard. My first word was "uppity". I would not even bother to start with this.
A little human thought behind a theme makes sense. Just try it, name 3 themes  that you think will inspire some nice (and doable) fractal images.

Mine would be:
-Jungle
-Clockwork
-Autumn Sunset


What's yours?

Involving polls and discussion to choose a theme will probably lead to a lot of discussion and undecisiveness. Maybe a nice approach would be:

The winner of this times contest comes up with the theme for the next contest.



ps: regarding "as rendered", I always do some minor post-editing. raising contrast, change colours, maybe highlight an area and darken other ones.
This basic editing should be considered okay. Just no adding fancy external stuff, using only generated fractal shapes.
(though if the result is something like this http://www.fractalforums.com/images-showcase-(rate-my-fractal)/my-fractal-universe/ I wouldn't mind a bit further editing. If someone wants to go this way, why not? If it's good it will win if not, it gets "the shame of no votes". I prefer self-regulated systems, oscillating between order and chaos at the fractal border in between.
Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #82 on: July 27, 2019, 12:52:55 PM »
@ Fractalist, yes of course you are correct. Some programs have various levels of effects editing in built, so i guess post editing should be allowed, for an even playing field.

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« Reply #83 on: July 27, 2019, 02:42:31 PM »
My other two cents

we could consider having both  best 2D and best 3D of the month?

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« Reply #84 on: July 27, 2019, 05:00:26 PM »
@ Fractalist, yes of course you are correct. Some programs have various levels of effects editing in built, so i guess post editing should be allowed, for an even playing field.

Agreed, agreed! Didn't think of that...
Still not sure about the kittens, though...  ::)  :))

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« Reply #85 on: July 27, 2019, 05:23:00 PM »
Ok, I think I should explain why I do not think that heavily manipulated images like  f.i. MrAlexx's (which I ADORE, do not get me wrong, for the enormous skill and eye the artist has in bringing together fractals and other items and creating something really New, but NOT really for being 'fractals') should be part of the contest.
What I very much like when it comes to the stuff that is now submitted to the contest that fractals ARE the real feature, that we have examples in 2D, 3D, from a variety of software, beautiful but VERY different images being thrown at us to choose from at voting time, and we can and probably most of us do (?) choose/award each for different reasons: new fractal shape, something really nice and experimental in visualising fractals, new methods, great colour schemes that really emphasize depth or special features or just a structure we have seen before many times, put presented So nicely, etc

What I am afraid of is that once we are invaded by the bloody kittens, they will always win... and that all those other images of enormous interest will not get the chance/spotlight that they get now/deserve.

Maybe we could herd the cats by having a manipulations-contest once in a while?  ;D


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« Reply #86 on: July 27, 2019, 06:42:36 PM »
Themes yes - themes based on random word generators no... I could go for folks throwing out some theme topic and them being voted on. I think a "clockwork" theme would get some great submissions.

I would prefer "as is" or minimally post-edited as long as the post-editing actions were listed (contrast, color shift, etc.)

I do like the idea of best 2D and best 3D renders of the month.
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« Reply #87 on: July 27, 2019, 07:14:36 PM »
@Sabine62 I agree, I want to see how well an artist can do with the program of choice, what Mr Alexx does is fantastic but if he enters  the contest with a film quality commercial level work of art we might as well just ask him to do a dozen and call it a calendar. I would like to see what he might do with a single program, I'm sure it would be good but at least others would be able to compete on the same playing field.

Re: random word topic: if the word was "uppity" my image would be aggressive and energetic, an "in your face" sort of thing, the random word topic would stimulate some really creative stuff.

Re: polls: yes, that could get long and drawn out with endless discussion causing disagreement (need another poll for that) see what I mean?

Re: last winner picks next topic: could pick topic that they might win or could make people dread winning  :-\ possibly making them less likely to enter. (depending on how reclusive one might be)

So, my position is :
1. one program, unaltered, random topic, no polls.
2. minimal alteration allowed, topic via poll from list.
edit: 3. completely random, as is now, no topic

and within those 2D and 3D as they are so distinctively different.
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« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2019, 11:03:18 AM »
Re: random word topic: if the word was "uppity" my image would be aggressive and energetic, an "in your face" sort of thing, the random word topic would stimulate some really creative stuff.

I understand what you mean, still this would motivate me much less to participate than a selected theme that makes more obvious sense for fractals.


Re: last winner picks next topic: could pick topic that they might win or could make people dread winning  :-\ possibly making them less likely to enter. (depending on how reclusive one might be)
Simple solution for that:
We start a thread  "Topic Ideas" where everyone who has an idea just posts the topics he would like to see. Like my three words.
If the next winner is to reclusive to share own ideas he's welcome to just pick one from that thread, which can be linked in the winner announcemend post for easy access.


To be honest, I like the idea of a mixed 2d/3d contest. It adds variety.
And regarding the average number of participants now, I wouldn't do too many contests at once or the numbers will probably drop, and what's the point of a contest with just 5 entries?



Here's my suggestion to just get the ball rolling:

Let's start a contest as I suggested:

-user selected, roughly fractal related topic
-only pure fractal renders with basic post editing allowed (like contrast, saturation..)
-winner announces next months topic (own idea or chosen from "contest ideas"-thread.
-mixed 2d/3d for a start. If lots of entries from both we can split it in future months.

Let's just see how it goes, if it's fun and people participate.
Open to rule adjustments after the first month.

If you are absolutely against this, please post here.
It's not my intention to force a top-down decision on you folks, just get things started and avoid days of undecicive discussions.

If noone is against it I suggest we just start a first contest for august, topic "clockwork".
Cal and/or Sabine, do you want to take this into your hands?

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« Reply #89 on: July 28, 2019, 11:36:33 AM »
Here's my suggestion to just get the ball rolling:
Let's start a contest as I suggested:

-user selected, roughly fractal related topic
-only pure fractal renders with basic post editing allowed (like contrast, saturation..)
-winner announces next months topic (own idea or chosen from "contest ideas"-thread.
-mixed 2d/3d for a start. If lots of entries from both we can split it in future months.

Let's just see how it goes, if it's fun and people participate.
Open to rule adjustments after the first month.

If none is against it I suggest we just start a first contest for august, topic "clockwork".
Cal and/or Sabine, do you want to take this into your hands?

Looks fine by me.  So ok, if I summarize, so the first of august we start with the theme-contest of the IOTM  ( instead of the 'regular' IOTM contest) The theme will be Clockwork,  using one fractal-software-program, no major adjustments, only light, saturation as. and be made in 2d as well as in 3d.
There was a remark (Fraktalist) "Some programs have various levels of effects editing in built"  How we deal with that?

Question, can participants enter twice, one 2d and one 3d, or just one entry?  Or two separate contest, one 2d and one 3d?

If we manage we start the first of August, right?   You mentioned Sabine.  Does Sabine want to take care of the contest?


Greetings, and have a good day.
I'm out, touring on wheels ;)
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