Upload limits per day for Main and User Galleries?

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Offline Anon

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« on: September 15, 2017, 01:05:43 AM »
Is there a Sticky Topic/Post somewhere that defines the current upload limits per day for Main and User Galleries?

Number of images and/or total megabytes allowed per day?

Linkback: https://fractalforums.org/discuss-fractalforums/5/upload-limits-per-day-for-main-and-user-galleries/307/

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2017, 01:42:12 AM »
I don't think so.

But it's been changing throughout the beta.

I think it's 10 images per day at the moment  (something I suspect led to the illusion of spamming the image board with gallery posts).

And the MB is per image, so that's not a daily limit as such.  I think it's 5 MB per image, at 10 a day - so at the moment, if memory serves, it's 50 MB per day.

I'll confirm the numbers and add it to the "New Features" thread.

I may wait until Frank chimes in and we agree on a real, closer to final, number of images per day  (and if we want the video uploads going on, what to do about their large file sizes if not properly compressed!).

Good observation.  The limit alerts from the gallery only show when exceeded, I think.  That always bugged me...
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2017, 09:08:58 AM »
my opinion:
-no automatic thread creation.
-no more fixed limites in the gallery uploads, but a guideline of starting a maximum of one thread per day.
-only user galleries - programm galleries are replaced by prefixes.

this way users can use the gallery as storage for their images and add as much as they want on a day or over time (maybe an overall limit of ... 500mb or something like that, more only for supporters?)
as they don't create automatic threads, the boards won't be affected.
guideline is: starting one thread per day, but adding several images to a post is welcome ->imagethreads.

I wouldn't be too strict, starting 2-3 new threads with good reason is okay on special occasions.
but not overdo it. if someone overdoes it, nice reminder by staff of the guideline.


I would like to test this for 2-3 weeks. (probably with the classic gallery, new one seems like no good replacement)


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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2017, 11:11:04 AM »
my opinion:
-no automatic thread creation.
-no more fixed limites in the gallery uploads, but a guideline of starting a maximum of one thread per day.
-only user galleries - programm galleries are replaced by prefixes.

this way users can use the gallery as storage for their images and add as much as they want on a day or over time (maybe an overall limit of ... 500mb or something like that, more only for supporters?)
as they don't create automatic threads, the boards won't be affected.
guideline is: starting one thread per day, but adding several images to a post is welcome ->imagethreads.

I wouldn't be too strict, starting 2-3 new threads with good reason is okay on special occasions.
but not overdo it. if someone overdoes it, nice reminder by staff of the guideline.


I would like to test this for 2-3 weeks. (probably with the classic gallery, new one seems like no good replacement)

I'm OK with all of that except limiting the gallery to only user galleries.  The point is to have a communal area and that would remove that aspect of the gallery completely.

Turning off threads is enough.  Why worry if people want to post in a software specific gallery with others to be part of a group or if they want to be loners and post only in their own gallery.

I think seeing works by many people on a common theme is too good to do away with.

Many gallery categories is a thing that does not effect the forum threads and a thing that is well liked.  We even had requests for 2 software specific galleries so far  (I don't recall anyone requesting prefixes or a different gallery   :-* ).

So stop threads if it makes you feel better about the forum, but I am strongly opposed to removing all, or even any, gallery categories!  I don't even like user galleries for the same reason I'm against threads with attachments.  I think to be a community we need places where many people post and we can see all their similarly themed stuff together.

I see the number of gallery categories growing with time, not shrinking.

Oh yeah, the upload limit is not measured in MB - it's measured in number of images per day.  I don't think we can alter that.



EDIT:

Think of using a communal gallery as being part of something larger than yourself, like a group of Fragmentarium users or MB3D users, and using user galleries as a way of promoting only yourself.

There is a place for both, and I prefer removing user galleries over removing gallery categories.  I like to think we're a community - more than a group of isolated individuals.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2017, 11:31:15 AM by Sockratease »

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 08:31:55 PM »
nobody called for prefixes because we never had the option and most probably don't know about prefixes being a thing.

and just for the record:
"I think seeing works by many people on a common theme is too good to do away with."
you still would have this, except that sorting takes place through prefixes instead of gallery categories. same thing.

but: I don't mind having program categories. let's keep them.
after you have tested your share of the new gallery and we decide to stick with the old, let's remove the auto-posting, raise limits and try this for the next time.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 09:48:01 PM »
...and just for the record:
"I think seeing works by many people on a common theme is too good to do away with."
you still would have this, except that sorting takes place through prefixes instead of gallery categories. same thing.

I disagree.

You'd only see a list of threads with no thumbnails.

It still diminishes the whole communal aspect in my view.

I need the large group of thumbnails from many people all on one page or the threads appearing on the Recent Posts page.

I will resist any effort to do away with that!

I'm compromising by going along with no automated threads - I greatly prefer them because everything shows up on one page for me that way!  Every thread and every gallery post all appear on the Recent Posts page with no need for further site navigation.

That renders Recent Topics, and every Board Index superfluous and I rarely use them.  If I have to look at that recent images page in the gallery, I will.   But probably will just end up missing a lot of posts.

You forget what it's like to have a lousy internet connection.

The fewer pages I need to view, the better.

Recent posts used to cover everything.

This is ruining that completely and I am vehemently opposed to any further reduction of what appears there and am already trying to think of ways to get those automated threads back since they make the site so much better for those of us who use the Recent Posts page as our main access to everything else.

In fact, attachments do not appear in recent posts - so this site is going to suck for me if this becomes the way of things.

I literally may lose a lot of enthusiasm if I can't see stuff easily.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2017, 12:57:33 PM »

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Without images in recent posts we remove the best part of the site from it's most important area!

I understand & respect that your very personal way of browsing fractalforums is using recent posts and little beside that.
We did a lot to keep this way of browsing.

I prefer attaching images over the gallery for many reasons already explained, and we already decided on that.
Maybe adding this extension makes things easier for you: https://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=4090
It doesn't show the attached images in recent posts but adds a clickable link.
If your connection is so slow, this solution seems even better than having to load all images instantly when looking at the recent post page.

I need the large group of thumbnails from many people all on one page or the threads appearing on the Recent Posts page.
and you will have them on one page:
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If I have to look at that recent images page in the gallery, I will.
Thank you, that is good.
We will implement a link to it in prominent place, so it will only be one more click per daily browsing.
This extraclick should not suffice to kill your enthusiams for fractalforums..


Let me repeat: This is about testing an alternative way.
Once this has been tested, the community decides if we use the new way or stick with the old system.








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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2017, 11:37:46 PM »
...Let me repeat: This is about testing an alternative way.
Once this has been tested, the community decides if we use the new way or stick with the old system.

I know that.  I was saying the test is skipping a critical mid point.  Going straight to killing threads to see if it has an impact on the recent topics is silly when the limit is set to 10 per day per user. 

It's hardly a test to see how it impacts the threads if none are made.  That answer is so obvious it does not need testing.

A more valid test would be to keep the threads and limit the uploads to 1 per day per user, as it is on the .com site.

Then we'd have something worthy of comparing.  Stopping them gives no baseline for comparison at all.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 11:58:56 PM »
The goal is not to find out if this has any effect on the number of new threads.
Of course it has.
And that is the goal.

Not to create less activity.
But to create less *background noise* of automaticly generated topics.

If an artist wants his work to be seen and appreciated, he will create a topic himself and present the art as it deserves.
Not with a tiny thumbnail or a huge horizontal scrollbar image that can only be appreciated after 3 more clicks into the gallery.

And with less "low effort" posts, these manual and deliberately crafted posts will stand out much more and not drown in the noise of countless 0 comments, 4 views threads.


The goal of the test is to find out if our community will recognize the benefits of this.

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 12:31:53 AM »
The goal of the test is to find out if our community will recognize the benefits of this.

I see no value in it.

I trust nobody else will either.

The "views" are meaningless.

I see all posts, even threads with zero views.

Because I use the more elegant Recent Posts page where all forum activity can be monitored in one place.

Losing that is too high a price to satisfy some inexplicable need to equate thread views with anything meaningful at all.

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 12:44:54 AM »
I deleted my reply.

The adults are arguing...
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 05:57:44 AM by Anon »

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 07:45:32 AM »
I see no value in it.
I trust nobody else will either.

Then let's find out.


Thanks for your input anon.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2017, 04:12:59 AM »
Input:
Child board in Fractal Image Gallery board for auto generated topics from Gallery Pro?



« Last Edit: September 21, 2017, 09:09:51 PM by Anon »

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 07:02:49 AM »
for mobile users (and for blisteringly fast page loads on a regular browsers, at least compared to yorky)

https://fractalforums.org/index.php?wap2

I found the WAP2 link at the bottom of the yorky theme next to the RSS link.

doesn't display any images anywhere at all afaict, so bandwidth is super low.
very simple page layout too.
mathjax works as well, making it almost perfect (I'd prefer images in posts to be present)


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