(Problem) gallery thread thumbnail lightbox is pointless

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Offline claude

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« on: September 21, 2017, 09:56:55 PM »
Clicking the thumbnail in a gallery thread opens a lightbox with the thumbnail.  Better would be that it links directly to the gallery page (like the text link just below).

Example thread:
https://fractalforums.org/fractal-image-gallery/18/bridging-the-infinite/346

It's frustrating to click the thumbnail, click the close button, click the link each time I forget...

Linkback: https://fractalforums.org/discuss-fractalforums/5/gallery-thread-thumbnail-lightbox-is-pointless/348/

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 10:27:46 PM »
Re: Upload limits per day for Main and User Galleries?

Discussion about gallery generated threads.

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 10:56:05 PM »
That is the forum's lightbox taking over.

I personally hate lightboxes and would love to be rid of all of them on this site, but *some* people think they are "modern" and "cool" so we have to have them.

The lightbox works on all images in threads that way.

So it's just doing it's job, even if the job is silly.

There's a link to the gallery thread below it.

I would prefer to just let the full sized image go into the threads, but again - *some* people don't like that.

We'll be having member polls on this and many other topics where opinions clash, and the end result will be whatever most members want regardless of what any staff think!
Study stupidity, kids. It's not getting smarter out there - Frank Zappa

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 11:15:01 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 11:46:45 PM »
I would prefer to just let the full sized image go into the threads, but again - *some* people don't like that.

FYI

sock, I don't know, what is new about that or what does it solve?
now we have a small thumbnail. a cliick on it leads to the same small thumbnail in a lightbox. but a click on the thumbnail should lead to the full image.
Haviung to click on a link below the thumbnail that then leads to a gallery page, where when you click on an image you get a full view.. thats so uncomfortable. 2 more clicks with page reload.
this must be possible in a simpler way.

This gallery is configured horribly, but it's the best we can do.  The problem was that we were displaying full resolution images in threads, and unexpecting mobile users would get their bandwidth eaten up fast.

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 12:17:33 AM »
FYI

Bandwidth is a non-issue in my view.

Mobile users with limited bandwidth do not belong in Art threads where they know full well that there will be High Resolution images.

This has always been the case.

My statement that it was a problem is being taken out of context - it was a problem we were discussing, but not a problem I felt had any merit worth acting upon.  I went along in the spirit of compromise, but my opinion never changed.

And css resizing is a waste in my view - it only introduces potential conflicts with themes and does nothing for bandwidth.  It only resizes for displays, the image is full sized.

I see no point.

I say it's not worth trying.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 12:36:27 AM »
How does this introduce potential conflicts with themes?

Code: [Select]
/* Auto resizing of images in posts and personal messages. */
/* Change sizing to suit your own preferences. */
.inner>img, .inner>blockquote>img,
.inner>.bbc_link>img, .inner>blockquote>.bbc_link>img{
   height: auto;
   width: auto;
/* This is just to keep images to a handy size, even on large screens. */
   max-height: 640px;
/* This prevents images breaking out of the post on small screens. */
   max-width: 95%;
}
« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 03:10:12 AM by Anon »

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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 10:16:28 AM »
sock, as I requested by pm, please lets get back to problem solving and stop argueing what "some" of us want, taken completely out of context. I don't want to have to explain myself in every other thread, just because you want to influence opinions and leave out important details, telling only half of the story.

I reasoned well why the lightbox makes sense. When you reasoned back you never said anything about "mobile users not belonging in art threads" (which completely contradicts your usual opinion of making everything accessible for everyone in every possible way)
I am open for better solutions.
Anon quoted me correctly. I actually was the first to post this problem that you introduced with setting tiny thumbnails in auto-generated threads.
Argueing about bad design of yorky, but asking for horizontal scrollbars for large images is a contradiction.

All I want is a good solution. The CSS thing looks promising, even if it will be a problem for mobile users.
Let's work on solutions and stop fighting. It kills my motivation.



for a start and as you are head of gallery stuff:
please set the tiny thumbnail to medium as anon suggests.
And: Is there a possibility to make a click on the image lead to the full size version with the gallery?

As soon as I find time I'll try the css thing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 11:17:55 AM »
Ug.  Well, here it goes...

I reasoned well why the lightbox makes sense. When you reasoned back you never said anything about "mobile users not belonging in art threads" (which completely contradicts your usual opinion of making everything accessible for everyone in every possible way)
I am open for better solutions.

You think you reasoned well why the lightbox makes sense, but I think it is a waste and I reasoned well why it is such.  We disagree on it and I see it's interfering with other functionality outweighing it's benefits which are minimal at best and not worth the price we pay in losing other stuff.

I am open for better solutions.

Get rid of the lightbox and use full sized images in gallery created threads.  Best solution there is short of paying the gallery people to modify the gallery behaviour despite it's perceived shortcomings.

I actually was the first to post this problem that you introduced with setting tiny thumbnails in auto-generated threads.
Argueing about bad design of yorky, but asking for horizontal scrollbars for large images is a contradiction.

Funny, I didn't want the thumbnails at all.  I wanted full sized images.  The thumbnails were one of 2 choices, and only two choices that exist.  You were the one who said they were better than full sized images.  So you are saying we should go back to full sized images in threads?  I'd do that now as you suggested I introduced them when it was done at your request.

And pointing out all the design flaws in Yorky is needed to demonstrate why it can never be the default theme.  Overflow handling and font choices are not to be dismissed lightly. 

Scrollbars for large images is not a contradiction at all.  It is the best way to display them.  I see no advantage to any other way.

All I want is a good solution. The CSS thing looks promising, even if it will be a problem for mobile users.
Let's work on solutions and stop fighting. It kills my motivation.

for a start and as you are head of gallery stuff:
please set the tiny thumbnail to medium as anon suggests.
And: Is there a possibility to make a click on the image lead to the full size version with the gallery?

As soon as I find time I'll try the css thing.

The thumbnail setting will be the same in the gallery as in the threads.  I suggested 500 x 500 thumbs in the gallery before but it was not a welcome idea.  I'll set them to that and see what happens.  They can be reset later if it's too much in the gallery itself.

I worry the css thing will make viewing full sized images even harder so I am against it.  I also fear it will make trouble with the responsive theme, but we can burn that bridge after we cross it.  I don't understand this obsession with having everything fit the screen of the user.  The text formatting does that, and it's only text that is an issue when screen size is concerned.

It is not a problem for images.

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 01:08:49 PM »
to avoid this escalating into countless sub-topics I don't respond to everything here but will in the threads were it's already being discussed.

showing larger than screen images with a scrollbar in an art board is useless. I must have a way to see the complete picture. If you see only a small section at a time, you can't understand the image, context is missing.
It's like going to the Louvre and being forced to look at the larger paintings with a magnifying glass, with no way to look at the whole image at once.

I have a huge problem with that.
I don't understand how you can see this as a good solution to present art.
an example: http://www.fractalforums.com/images-showcase-(rate-my-fractal)/fractal-fine-art/   (yes, external images, didn't have the time to search for a huge gallery upload)
It's not a small issue. it is a showstopper, thus no alternative.
(same for showing tiny thumbnails that lead to a tiny lightbox. standing 20m away from the mona lisa)

The other issue was the datavolume of having many mb large images load instantly. (not a showstopper, but not good. bad for mobiles with monthly volumes like 250mb. but also for slow connections and those images showing in recent posts list (your main argument for automated-galleryposts - now used to prove the opposite?! does not compute.)
Lightbox fixed both of these problems. That is why I preferred that solution.
(Also using attachements for images fixed both of these problems. But I accept the familiarity of the gallery is important to many.)

It is sad that the expensive gallery doesn't do what is it's main job. properly presenting images.
The same for the thumbnails - linking a tiny thumbnail to a tiny lightbox is just stupid design.
Yet we need to find a solution that works. That doesn't involve scrollbars. Or tiny thumbnails.

Okay, lets try the large thumbnails and see how this goes.
But that is only a bad workaround and a short-term fix.



I get the impression that you block attempts to find better solutions, say no to everything that is suggested.
I'd be totally fine with that - if you provided solutions that work.
Basically we've been at the same point in our last big arguments. With recent topics as well as a responsive theme - yorky.
You blocked, provided no alternative, and I had to find the solutions myself, pay for them myself.
And now those solutions are slowly undermined again in every other thread with those 'subtle' comments.
That feels very wrong.



All in all, I have to say that our workflow is exhausting and wasting precious time.
We should be working together. Finding good solutions that please everyone.
I like to think that I try to do this. Please tell me if you feel I don't whenever this happens.

« Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 02:22:39 PM by Frank Fraktalist »

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 11:18:28 AM »
changed to 3 columns and max width of 300 because at 4*500 the gallery page looks bad and now adds a horizontal scrollbar.

edit: do you have to somehow check a "re-encode thumbnails" somewhere? 3 columns with 500px wide thumbnails now. will probably change for the newly uploaded.

still a very temporary solution this whole gallery issue.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 03:21:25 AM »
Back to the original topic:

Clicking the thumbnail in a gallery thread opens a lightbox with the thumbnail.  Better would be that it links directly to the gallery page (like the text link just below).

Example thread:
https://fractalforums.org/fractal-image-gallery/18/bridging-the-infinite/346

It's frustrating to click the thumbnail, click the close button, click the link each time I forget...

Removing the lightbox from the equation equals:

Click on thumbnail does nothing (See BBCode)
Click on link below thumb >> takes you to the Gallery Pro Medium thumb page
Click on the Medium thumb opens the Full image in new tab

BBCode needed to click image and open link:
[url=https://fractalforums.org/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=84][img]https://fractalforums.org/gallery/thumb_65-210917184312.jpeg[/img][/url]

Example on fractalforums.com from KRAFTWERK's user gallery
The Convulsive Corset of Jenny Lind at the Climax of the Elijah Oratorio
Note that fractalforums.com does not use a secondary Medium thumbnail.

This nested [url=][img][/img][/url] code does not work in the forum at this time.
However, it does work in the Gallery Pro comment section.
Tested here Click image to open link and here Fractalforums - EarlyUF1
Admins would need to remove one mod at a time and test to see what is interfering.

I do not know if the Gallery Pro auto created Topic will be able to generate the nested image/url.


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